Sandra: we dropped Delta Dental. We went out of network with all insurances. I was down to Premier and everybody thought, "Oh, that's, great. You know, it's the higher paying one.
If you get rid of that one, then we're gonna lose so many patients. You know, what if it doesn't work," blah, blah, blah. I'm like, " Okay, what if it does work out?"
Anne: Oh. You know?
Sandra: Let's be positive. I love that line. What if it does work out?
Hello, everyone. It's Anne Duffy, and welcome to the Just DeW It podcast. I am so happy that you're with me today, and I have a brand-new friend- ... that I met in Arizona. Women in Dentistry, uh, by Habshaw, Dr. Effie Habsha, had a beautiful, conference at the Spear Foundation. this beautiful DeW, and she joined DeW right away, 'cause she's so cool.
Anne: and I had coffee, one morning, and, uh, I told her a little bit about what we do, and she goes, " how can I join?" And I'm like, "Oh, I would love you to join." But before we get started, let me tell you a little bit about her. Dr. Sandra Calleros.
Sandra: Is a Southern California dentist, practice owner, and proud grandmother who loves tennis, pickleball, hiking, and good country music.
Anne: Fun facts: she owned horses and motorcycles, which that really met her. No joke,no surprise over here. And yes, she's been in the Pasadena Rose Parade. No surprise about that, either. Please help me welcome Dr. Sandra Calleros. How are you, darling?
Sandra: I'm doing great. How are you?
Anne: Oh, I'm doing great.
It's so good to see you. we just had so much fun meeting each other, and then, you know, I didn't even have to twist your arm or anything, and I, y-you joined DO right away, Dental Entrepreneur Woman, because you are a dental entrepreneur woman, so of course this felt like a good fit.
Sandra: Yeah. Where were you when I first started practicing?
Anne: I know. I know. And I but I think it just takes a while to realize the pent-up demand, right, for women coming together in community to, bolster each other, to help each other. And, luckily you know, I hung the phone up one day, and, I was mad my friend was bullied, and, and here we are, 10, we're celebrating our 10th anniversary, so,
Sandra: um. Wow, congratulations. It's just so nice to have these groups in this time, and there was nothing like it when I graduated. You know? There was no support. We didn't even have cell phones back then. Things were just really different now. Yeah, but
Anne: that is so true.
But I am so proud of you,
Sandra: we talked about before we got on about how you love learning and, you know, o- obviously, because we're looking at your strengths, learner, is one in your top five. So you're constantly learning and pivoting.
Anne: cause there's new things coming out in dentistry all the time, right? Yep. And so
one of your strengths is going down a rabbit hole, So that- ... that is the basement of learner, is going down a rabbit hole and keep going. But, you know, it's so wonderful because, being a dentist, you have to continue learning your entire life.
Sandra: Yeah. And it takes time and energy and, you I still love doing it. But I just went to a, a big conference in Miami recently, and that was super fun. It was all cosmetic dentistry, veneers with Dr. Apa.
Anne: Oh,
Sandra: wow. So, you know, even at this point in my career, I, I think even after I retire, I'm still gonna wanna learn things.
I'm gonna learn- Oh, yeah ... I don't care what it is. I'll take art classes, pole dancing classes, like-
Anne: Y- you name it. That's all-
Sandra: I, I just love to learn. Like, I love learning ...
Anne: Well, okay, so because that was the one thing that we did introduce to you was the StrengthsFinders, and Gallup StrengthsFinders 2.0.
And I was also saying before we started to record that, you and I could be twins, because we've got three of the top five. your number one is activator, then your positivity, woo, focus, and learner. So a couple things about your strengths and why you're so cool is, first of all, I heard this year that time is not the most important thing that we have.
Focus is.
Sandra: Mm-hmm.
Anne: that is something so key, because you can actually, even as a learner, once you get all that knowledge, you have the tendency of being able to take that knowledge and put it together and focus on what you're doing to make that one procedure to be excellent, because you are not gonna quit until it is just right.
Sandra: Yeah. I mean, I have to say I'm, I guess I would be an implementer. So I learn something and, you know, I'm not just gonna leave the notes in my drawer and bring it out six months later. I'm gonna implement right away. it's been a little bit difficult with it. Isn't on that same page.
They've generally called me racehorse, like, "Slow down, racehorse." You know, like- Yeah ... 'cause I just wanna get in there and implement and, you know, there's some people on the team who are very slow. Like, let's start with this step, and then get that mastered, and then we're gonna master step number two.
And I'm kinda like, no, let's just get in there and do it, and we're gonna pivot, and we're gonna change things. If it doesn't work, we're gonna just go this way, but we're gonna get there, and we're not gonna get there next year. We're gonna do it now.
Anne: You just explained. Let me tell you the, balcony of activator. Self-starter, lights a fuse, quick decider, gets things started, and high-energy. That is your number one. So that is you. Now, maybe one of your team members, this is why it's, it's really kind of important to give it to y- your team, because one of your team members might be deliberative.
And deliberative is like, oh, they're gonna take a long time to say, yes, they're gonna do it. But when they, finally buy in, you've already finished the race by the time they buy in. Yeah. And it's really hard to find that balance between an activator, but an activator's in the influencing realm.
So one of the things I hope you learn from your strengths is from activator, positivity is relationship building. You have something in every domain. So there's executing, which would be focus. There is influencing, you have woo and activator are influencing.
So you can get the troops rallied. You know, you know all your neighbors, all the dentists in town. You know everybody. You got this thing going. And then, your focus will keep you in check. That is actually executing. So your focus is executing, and then learner is strategic.
So you've got a really nice balance of all the strengths in your top five. But again, with woo and activator, and positivity is also, an influencing, strength as well because who doesn't wanna be around somebody that's positive? You can take any situation Sandra, I'm pretty sure Yeah
and make it a good one. Turn it around and it's gonna be okay, ' cause positivity, let me tell you what that is. That's relationship building, enthusiastic, light-hearted, energetic, generous with praise, optimistic, fun, and uplifting.
Sandra: I like that.
Anne: isn't that fun? Yeah, uh- I love having positivity. that's my favorite strength because I feel like as an entrepreneur and as a dentist, it's really nice to have positivity, because some days are not great.
Sandra: Yeah ... don't work I love when, um, somebody says, you know, "What if it doesn't work out?" You know, like, we dropped out to dental. We went out of network with all insurances. I was down to Premier and everybody thought, "Oh, that's, great. You know, it's the higher paying one.
If you get rid of that one, then we're gonna lose so many patients. You know, what if it doesn't work," blah, blah, blah. I'm like, " Okay, what if it does work out?"
Anne: Oh. You know?
Sandra: Let's be positive. I love that line. What if it does work out?
Anne: Yeah.
Sandra: And now, it's been great. Like, we are getting our full fees.
If we wanna give a discount, we can give a discount, but we don't have to give a discount.
Anne: Wow.
Sandra: We have the freedom and the independence now I had to kinda drag them to convince them and be, and, you know, h- be positive every day about it. But that wasn't easy.
Anne: Now you can understand it though, because you ooze positivity no matter what.
And, and a lot of times, one of our children calls it toxic positivity because I can take every situation- ... and make it positive. And she's like, "Mom, it's toxic positivity. Let me be sad here for a minute." And you're like, it's really hard, to see people be sad over when you've already moved on like a racehorse.
Sandra: Yeah. Not
Anne: only with your act-activator, but also with your positivity, is so cool. And then woo, that's my number one. It's, number three for you, which very high on your top five. Outgoing, people oriented, networking connector, and a rapport builder. So another great, strength for building a practice, 'cause you built rapport with many, many people, and they come back and then they recommend their, friends and their family, and they come back and you, you know, you get to share their whole lives with them.
I love that you, you do-
Sandra: Yeah ...
Anne: babies and you do geriatric. You do the whole gamut, the whole age group of people that walk through your doors.
Sandra: Yeah, and it's just amazing to have, you know, see a patient in the chair when, you know, I remember when they were sitting in the stroller in the corner. Oh.
And I'm working on the mom, and now they're all grown up, and they're in college, you know, and they're getting married, and they're having babies of their own. It's pretty incredible to stay for that length of time to be able to see that-
Anne: Yeah.
I think that is why dentistry is so rich, right?
And,that brings me to one of the questions that I'd like to ask you. Would you choose dentistry? You, honestly, as smart as you are, and as engaging and fun and all these things, you could have done anything. I'll say that right now, Sandra,
Sandra: but- Aw, thank you ...
Anne: would you choose dentistry again as a career?
And why?
Sandra: I,I would choose dentistry for myself. I love it after all these years. I think it's a great profession for women because you can set your own hours. You know, I knew way back when, I didn't wanna be a doctor who, say, worked in a hospital. Mm. I didn't wanna have to work nights and Saturdays and Sundays and holidays because I knew I wanted to have a family.
I also knew that I kinda wanted to have my own thing. I didn't wanna work for somebody else. I wanted the independence and the creativity to be able to create my own thing. So, I don't like people telling me what to do.
Anne: Yeah. That's 'cause you like to go fast and furious. and that's cool because I think one of the best gifts an entrepreneur can have, 'cause you're an entrepreneur, you're a dental entrepreneur woman, running your practice, owning your practice, positivity is such a great strength.
And you know, honestly, I think I may have told you this, Sandra, but these are God-given talents, okay? This is like he gave it to you in the womb. He knew what you were meant for, and I believe that. 'Cause when I took strengths the first time, it was in our parish, and that was the whole gist of it. It was all about the God-given talent.
So I, I, I took it 18 years ago and believe in that. But as an entrepreneur running a practice, as a female general dentist back in the day, you had to have positivity, and that has kept you loving it all these years. I'm sure the road hasn't been smooth sailing, as it isn't for anybody that's an entrepreneur.
Sandra: No, definitely not smooth sailing.
Anne: Yeah. But you always bounce back, and you've built this great practice. And, I'm proud of you, but I know you should be very proud of yourself because, back in the day, when you first started, was it easy back when you first started?
Sandra: No, I would have to say it wasn't easy. So, um, how I got started, you know, I graduated dental school, and the only jobs you could really get when you're new, at least for me, was to work, like, in the, big clinics. Mm-hmm. The HMO clinics. And so I started doing that. I just was not happy at all. I hated it.
I didn't feel like it was ethical for the patients.
Anne: Hmm.
Sandra: It was high volume. I didn't like the way they were billing. The pay was really bad. And I just thought, "I didn't go to school for eight years to work in this kind of environment. Like, I want something better for myself, and I'm gonna have it one way or another.
And if I can't have it in dentistry, like, I'll just quit being a dentist and go sell shoes." I don't know. Like, I just got the Yellow Pages out, and I started calling dentists. And I was living in Manhattan Beach, so I started calling the local dentists from the Yellow Pages.
Anne: Wow.
Sandra: And- Love it ... uh, one of them, you know, he said, "Well, I'm not hiring anybody, but y- you can just come over. I'll talk to you." So I went over there, and turns out that this person ends up being my future husband. He's a lot older than me. He's a dentist, established practice. He says, " "I I don't need another, an associate, but if you wanna start doing hygiene."
So I was like, "I'll do hygiene. Like, I wanna work in a nice practice. I don't care. I'll just do hygiene and then slowly build up my own patient base." So we ended up getting married, having two kids, and but it turns out that, you know, he was kind of a domineering person.
I was a lot younger. He was older and, you know, we ended up getting divorced.
And so then since it was his practice, it was hard for me because I didn't know where to go. Like, where am I gonna go? I have my little tiny patient base, but I don't know what to do. I don't, you know, it was confusing and really hard. Wow. So kinda bounced around and bounced around, and it wasn't even until I was 50 that I built my own practice, had my own location.
Wow. That was 2011, and I was 50 years old. So I haven't really had my own practice. I mean, I've had my own practice, but not, like, my own location-
Anne: Yeah ...
Sandra: until I was 50, and I'm gonna be 65-
Anne: Wow, you're beautiful. I know. Wow, right. That
Sandra: is
Anne: super cool. I love hearing that, though, Sandra, because I think women today, they feel like if they're 50, it's, like they should be a certain place, right?
And that's not true. ' I was 62. I tell everybody this. I was 62 when I started DeW. So there's-
Sandra: Amazing ...
Anne: you just keep on doing our stuff and doing what feels right. I love that you followed your heart, and the integrity that you had from the very beginning.
Sandra: Yeah. It was
Anne: what was right in your mind.
And then just it's not too late, so okay, I'm gonna do that at 50. And that's why you still love it, and that's why it's, your third child, I guess, at this point, 'cause you own it. Yeah. And you've built it. and kudos to you that you've done so well with that. And so I think there's a lot of young women that are listening to this today that are saying, "Okay, so Give me some advice. I'm a new dentist. I'm just getting out of school," or, "I've been in, you know, a DSO possibly working for one or three, four year, five years, whatever, ready for something new." what advice would you give them?
Sandra: Well, I think it's also important to know and find out what you don't want.
Mm.
Anne: Yeah.
Sandra: And if you work in those places, you know, okay, I don't wanna work in a high paced, high volume practice that doesn't have a lot of integrity, but not very ethical, so I think you need to hopefully find a mentor- Mm-hmm ... who's doing what you wanna do, something you can aspire to, somebody who'll inspire you and mentor you.
Can't say I had that, but if I had it, I think it would've been so, helpful. So find a mentor. Don't, cheap out on CE. Mm-hmm. Go to Spear. Go to Koi's Get some really good CE because I think when you have knowledge, that gives you confidence, and, you know, it's also experience, too.
Just keep one foot in front of the other. Just keep kicking that can down the road. And I think find a coach. I've had a coach since 2014.
Anne: Okay.
Sandra: And I'm still working with a coach at my age. I feel like, you know, until I'm done with dentistry, I need my coach Bethany. She's a, dentist who only does coaching now, Bethany Piziks.
And-
Anne: Oh, yeah. I love Bethany Piziks.
Sandra: You know her? I...
Anne: Yes, I know Bethany. She's awesome. And she's a horse person.
Sandra: Which is how I got connected with her. I listened to a podcast, and, She was talking about the horses, and since I'm a horse person, I reached out to her. I I go, "This is really interesting."
And she goes, "Well, would you like to come in for a session?" And I said, "Okay." So I flew to Scottsdale, and I had a session with her, and, she's been my coach ever since. And I love her. She's helped me through so much.
Anne: Oh, yeah. She's just great. Well, you better tell her when we get off this, this is how DeWs work, right?
So let's
Sandra: say- Well, I told her I was gonna be on thepodcast. Oh, good. I think she said she was a DeW at one point.
Anne: Yeah. Uh- She was a DeW, and then she got with, gnome or calm or something like that. And then, you know, we kind of lost-
Sandra: Oh, yeah ...
Anne: touch. But she knows me really, really well. So you tell her that I said hello.
I'd love to welcome her back. you guys need to come to the retreat together, and room together, and wouldn't that be fun? Yes. She would love our 10th anniversary, 'cause Bethany was with me right in the very beginning, and then she's moved on to s- you know, so there's a season for everything.
You're never leaving, though. Once you get into our little thing here, we're gonna take good care of you. But please give her my love. I mean, are so amazing in dentistry, aren't they? I mean, I love that you said you need a coach.
it's never too soon to get a coach, you make mistakes accidentally out of just trying, especially when you're an activator, 'cause we make a lot of fast decisions, right?
Sandra: Right.
Anne: Um,and we can pivot, too. So we make fast decisions to get in and fast decisions to get out.
But a coach sometimes will, like, say, Whoa, Nelly." Yeah. "Uh, let's slow down a little bit there." And, um, that makes me
Sandra: so- Yeah. Put the whip down.
Anne: Yeah.
Sandra: You know?
Anne: Yeah. But that still makes me so happy. that's principle number three, good DeWs find good DeWs. So it's no surprise that your coach is somebody that I know, and I just love her.
So that's super cool.
Sandra: Yeah. That
Anne: is super cool.
Sandra: It is. I mean, she helps me so much to this day.
Anne: Oh, I love it. Well- Mm-hmm ... so what's the stuff that, uh, what's your best and what's your least favorite part about owning a practice?
Sandra: so I think the best part is just providing, an extra special space where people go, where my team goes, you know?
Mm. We live there many days of the week. A lot, a good part of our life we're there. So, you know, I'm proud that I've created a practice that my team loves, I love that I created a place where my patients love, I have a practice that's a lot of walk-bys. You know, I call it walk-by traffic.
Okay. It's right
Anne: on
Sandra: the street, and that, it is sandwiched in between three restaurants, and I love it. When I'm sitting in my office and I overhear a patient who just walked in say hello, "Hey, how you guys doing?" And everybody's hearing the laughter. So having a happy place where patients are confident in our work, they appreciate our work.
being able to do that, it's just really rewarding.
Anne: it's like your home. Yeah. It's like you open the front door and you immediately get a feeling of like, ""Oh, I could, spend a little time here. and you're very cool that you have a walk by location, because I think, don't ever underestimate the signage from a walk by or a drive by dental office.
Because so often they're in, like, a big building, and you have to do so much marketing to get that done. And you've got people walking in off the street if it looks inviting. so do you like decorating? Is that, like a beautiful space for you? Is that part of it?
Sandra: Um,
I don't think I'm good at it myself, but I an interior designer to make my office beautiful.
And even back when I opened it, I, you know, I s- told the designer, I want it to be more like a spa. Like-
Anne: Mm ...
Sandra: pretty, I guess more feminine. pretty looking office. I didn't want it to be, like, black and gray and, you know, like- Sterile ...
Anne: what
Sandra: you have as a typical, like, male practice.
Anne: Yeah. But- We do love our men, but we have an eye for beauty. I think women do have an eye for beauty that sometimes is lost on, the male gene.
Sandra: Which also helps in cosmetic dentistry, so, I think dentistry is still a great profession. Find a mentor, do it a certain way, get intentional, get your coach, get your CE.
think it still takes years of experience, you know? And I think that's why we call it a practice.
I think there's never, like, an end point where you can say, "Okay, that's it.
I'm the perfect dentist. I'm done."
Anne: Yeah.
Sandra: You're not. You're gonna keep learning, and you need to keep learning and- it- You keep getting better every single year.
Anne: Well, that's probably why you like it so much. I mean, again, looking at your strengths, you're a learner and you gotta learn. You gotta keep learning as a dentist or anybody in a profession like that.
it would be really hard if it was not something you wanted to do, because you have to be good, you've got to keep that going. uh, question that popped into my mind, how many women were in your graduating dental class?
Sandra: That's a good question. When I graduated, there were maybe 20 to 25% women.
Anne: Okay.
Sandra: so like for women that are still practicing at my age, it's probably one in five.
Anne: Mm-hmm.
Sandra: And now I think it's, what, like 50% of the class- Yeah ... or higher. Yeah. So that's, been pretty amazing to watch that evolution and the, tides change over the years. It's, it's pretty incredible.
taking charge of dentistry. I
Anne: love it. Yeah. trail- a trailblazer, actually. you know, we have a documentary that we just played at the Henman, and Sharon Parsons. Actually, she's, I think Sharon is just a year or two a- ahead of you.
I'll have I want to introduce you to Sharon. She's amazing. And she is still practicing, still loving it. And she was, you know, back in the day, again, she, the hardships of just not being able to get a loan, not being, referred to, all of those things as women. And in fact, somebody had said to her, Why do you wanna take the seat away from a man?"
Oh, God. So California, yeah, yeah. So California's a little bit more, I think, progressive on that end. But, 20%, you really were not, the norm. and yet it lends itself to, think feminine intuition and beauty and all those things. I also love that you're helping women with the, what were you talking about with the babies?
The tie.
Sandra: Uh, so- Tongue tie ... um, yeah, all the sleep training led me to be a, provider doing infant tongue tie releases. So if a baby has a tongue tie, it can make it difficult for breastfeeding, for the baby and the mom. So-
Anne: You know, the thing about it is, Sandra, that you learned that, right, from your research and all that, and then you're doing it.
But do you know how many moms have you seen with their babies that don't even know that that's the problem, and have gone through all of this?
Sandra: And I was one of those moms who had problems with breastfeeding. Oh. I had mastitis.
My daughter was colicky, gassy, crying all the... Like, I didn't know to check for a tongue tie.
Anne: Yeah. And
Sandra: even, and even today, a lot of people don't know about it.
Anne: I know it. So I think that is another really cool thing that you've taken into your practice, to do it on your own. you know, you've really taken the time to learn about it.
that's a gift for a mom because mostly we blame ourselves if, something's not working. And a simple procedure, I just think that's really neat that you've recognized that and that's a part of your practice. And, and no wonder they keep coming back to you time after time, and that those kids, you see the kids grow and, have kids of their own and, all of those beautiful parts of the relationship part of dentistry, which is just so beautiful.
Sandra: you know, just one thing I remember going back to, like, how it was. I remember he was an accountant, like, a specialized accountant, Or he might have been an attorney. he told me I needed to cut my hair. Like, my hair was too long.
Anne: Oh, really?
Sandra: In order to be, taken seriously, I needed to, you know.
Anne: Oh, yeah.
Sandra: And I still have not cut my hair.
Anne: Look at the two of us. I know, my hair's so long right now. I mean, I actually do need a haircut. I
Sandra: don't have- Yeah ... as much as I used to, but, you know, it's still, you know, f-
Anne: It's, yeah, it's gorgeous. Well, you know what? This is the thing about with even knowing your strengths, knowing what you're really good at.
Did you get all 34 or did you just get your top five? Do you
Sandra: remember? Um, I just got the top five.
Anne: Okay. So the 34 that you have, it's, 'cause there's 34 strengths that they measure, they're still there. So you could al- you could just, it's a little money grab. You could just pay another $40 or f- $30 and get your 34.
'Cause it's fun to see what's dead last, because then you're gonna give yourself some grace, about, like, I'm not good at it. that's to give to somebody else that has that strength, right? But it's, it's like do you, right? And I think if you're listening we love ending this podcast with the mantra of, everybody keep doing you.
If you wanna have long hair and you wanna play pickleball, and you're gonna go to Coachella or you're gonna watch it on y- You know, it's time for women to just, take a stand and do us, and do you, because we are pretty phenomenal. what parting advice do you have?
'Cause I know you've got a lot in front of you. I know eventually you're going to your practice. I'm sure there's a lot of people that would love to buy your practice. You've got a great location. And it's also just you
Sandra: know- Fee-for-service.
I'm not contracted with any insurance companies anymore.
Anne: It's fee-for-service. So- Fee-for-service ...
Sandra: it's- Patients who pay because they wanna come.
Anne: I mean, that's a goldmine
Sandra: for somebody- They're not coming in because they found me on their plan. They're coming in because they have heard about the practice and, the high quality and, the attention to detail, and it feels like family in our practice.
So yeah, I was going to sell my practice at the end of the year. This was the year I was supposed to be working for an owner, like, part-time to get- Oh, yeah. Oh ... ready for-
Anne: Okay. man plans and God laughs. Go, continue.
Sandra: Yeah. So the sell of the practice didn't go through for various reasons. So here I am in 2026 working full-time again.
Loving it, though. I really do. Mm. I, I guess I'm kind of a control... You know, I like the control. Yep. So being there every day gives me 100% full control. I'm seeing patients that haven't seen in a long time, because they would come on the days when I wasn't there.
Anne: Okay.
Sandra: So that's been kinda cool, and I've just, I told my team at the beginning of the year, I said, " Our slogan for this year is," excuse my French, " Let's fucking go, 2026," with three exclamation marks. So, we say LFG. LFG- LFG ...
Anne: 2026 I love
Sandra: it And, you know, we've just ramped it up, and we're going really strong. But at the same time, my lease is up at the end of the year.
I'm gonna be- Mm ... 65. You know, I love spending time with my grandkids. I love riding horses. I love playing tennis. I love going out to the desert. So, you know, I've always made time for fun, no matter what. So, I'm at a point where I have to decide. what am I gonna do? Yeah. Cause my lease is running out and I'm gonna be 65. I'm going on Medicare this year.
Anne: Wow. Wow.Well, you know, I think it will be revealed. you've built something really strong. you're ready for a little bit more time to have more fun. not that dentistry's not fun, but, sometimes, again, your plan, it just wasn't ready.
And now it's kinda cool. You're forced to, like, maybe go back and reboot just a bit. the joy of seeing somebody that you haven't seen for a couple years and catching up, and then they go, "You, oh my God, you're gonna see me today." You know, I can just see that that is really beautiful.
And that, you
Sandra: gotta- And they're also saying, "I'm so glad you didn't retire."
Anne: Oh, I love
Sandra: that. You know? "I'm so happy. I want you to be my dentist. Don't ever retire." That is the biggest compliment right there, when a patient- knows that you're thinking about retiring or planning on it, and they say, "I'm so glad you didn't retire."
Anne: Oh, well, that's a lovely way to, exit 2.0. you're in control right now. You make those decisions, and it's all gonna be great, it's really, the timing for that, I think will be perfect. And fun fact, my mantra this year, which you will love, and we're so, like, again, I think we could be twins with different mothers.
Mine is giddy up. wow. Mine is giddy up. Yeah.
Sandra: No way.
Anne: Yeah, because well, first of all, it's the year of the horse. Yes. And I just found out the end of last year that that was the year of the snake, and I was like, I was glad I didn't know. I don't like snakes. I'm allergic to them, I think.
Sandra: Shed the old stuff.
Anne: Yeah, get rid of the old, shed it.
Sandra: Get that skin. And,
Anne: and the horse, I'm like, giddy up, girl. This is it. 'Cause I'm 72. I'm gonna be 73. Wow. But then again, I have to tell you, Sandra, so you'll do something else, because Dees don't retire. It's principle number nine. Start and don't stop.
Dees don't retire. So I don't know what that looks like for you oh my gosh. You're gonna have so many, So many courters, I guess, people courting your practice for a for service in California.
Hello. where is it? In southern California. Whereabouts are you?
Sandra: Close to the beach. We're a beach town. Oh. I'm in, um, El Segundo, which is, right next to LA International Airport. Ooh,
Anne: okay. So-
Sandra: A little town.
Anne: Oh my gosh, cute little town. now I wish I was a dentist, so I'd come over and, you know.
I mean, hey, you never know who's gonna hear this podcast. So how do we find you? let's go there,and then we'll, wrap it up here. How does anybody find you? Number one, if they just wanna, you know, reach out if you're a Dee and you wanna talk to Sandra, please let her know. And then also, how does anybody in this world find you, Sandra?
Sandra: you can email me at sandicalleros@gmail.com. S-A-N-D-I-C-A-L-L-E-R-O-S @gmail. If you wanna text me, I don't care, my cell number, 310-200-1958. 310-200-1958. Um, yeah, so that's my personal email my cell phone.
Anne: That's pretty strong,
Sandra: everybody Send me a text or call me Yeah whatever you want H-
Anne: you wanna have that discussion, I mean, I'm telling you, this is the best commercial we could ever do.
Come on, everybody. Let's go. What is it?
Sandra: Uh- I love idiot, though. That, that could've been mine.
Anne: Yeah. It's a little cleaner than yours. It's a little less, you know, but what, I was just like- Yeah ... what is yours, what's
Sandra: acronym, K-
Anne: uh, lo- LFG LFG, yeah, yeah, okay.
let's go.
Let's fricking go. Okay.
Sandra: Let's fricking go. I'm with you.
Anne: Yeah. Well, okay, Cheers to both of us. I love
Sandra: meeting
Anne: you.
Sandra: You're the fire horse, not just the horse. It's the fire horse.
Anne: Yeah. Well, I think we could ride that race together, my dear. And, if you're listening to us today, remember the most important thing you can do is to keep doing you, and Sandy, we're gonna keep doing us, okay?
thanks for having the time today for me and for our listeners. I loved having you on this podcast, and I will see you next time.
Sandra: Thank you so much. It's been fun.
